Post by redphoenix14 on Apr 3, 2005 15:58:53 GMT -5
KWC CO2 Desert Eagle Review
By: Alex Bradley [glow=red,2,300]NO5685[/glow]
The KWC Deagle next to my KWC G17L Springer
Introduction:
I have always loved big guns, specifically the Desert Eagle and Mark 23. I had no intention of purchasing a new gun, after all I had just bought my first AEG, a Tokyo Marui FA-MAS F1. One day searching the Airsoft Retreat forums (as I do everyday) I came across a thread titled ‘Airsplat Deals of the Month’. I was reading down the list, and something caught my eye, the KWC CO2 Desert Eagle for $149.99. Once before, I had read a review of this gun, which had nothing but praise for the gun. I never dreamed of owning one, at the time that I read the review, the only airsoft gun I owned was a WELL M4. I never thought I would spend that much money for a gun. So when I saw this deal, I bought it.
Appearance & Feel:
When I got home from school, I saw this huge box on my door. The box was 22 inches wide, and 15 inches tall. I imagined a huge pistol, as big as an MP5. I cut open the box, to reveal an attractive grey plastic carrying case. On the front it reads; DESERT EAGLE, with a profile drawing of an eagle. I opened the box to divulge a gorgeous gun. An I.M.I. masterpiece, the Desert Eagle. In the box some egg carton foam, and another layer of foam around ½ inch thick. You lift it up to reveal a clear plastic container, which holds a small allen wrench, screwdriver, and manuals. The case also has space for five additional CO2 cartridges.
(I painted the sights myself)
This particular model is the American version, which has a chrome slide, but lacks hogue grips. I picked up the gun, and was amazed by it’s weight, 3.03 pounds. The only other pistol I currently owned was a KWC G17L, which weighs around a pound. Everything is black on this gun, excluding the slide. The external metal parts are the slide, outer barrel, fire selector, hammer, trigger, mag release, takedown lever, slide catch, and magazine, With the only plastic parts being the lower frame, magazine baseplate, and front and rear sights.
The grips are also a softer plastic, and look glued onto the frame. The gun is quite comfortable to hold, it fits nicely in your hand. The sights aren’t painted though, but all you need is some white-out to correct this. They are both adjustable for windage though, and are quite stiff. The fire selector is also quite stiff, even after a month of constant use, it has not worn in. The black paint will also start to wear off, but not as quickly as on the KWA Glocks. After a month you can start to see silver, but only a minute amount.
The KWC CO2 Deagle also has full I.M.I. trades which read on the left side:
DESERT EAGLE .50AE PISTOL
ISRAEL MILITARY INDUSTRIES LTD. (I.M.I.)
On the right side they reads:
MAGNUM RESEARCH. INC.
MINNEAPOLIS, MN USA
On both sides of the grip it has the little I.M.I. insignia and above the grip on the right side it has a serial number that reads; KWC504921.
Performance:
This gun was chronographed by DaManJH99 using an F1 Chrony, Airsoft Elite .20s, Copperhead 12g CO2 cartridges, and a 3-4 second pause between shots with these results:
High: 426 fps
Low: 398 fps
Average of 5 shots: 412.4 fps
I was very impressed by this information, but not entirely surprised. This gun shoots through the bottom of a coke can on the first shot. Another testament to it’s power was when my friend shot me with it from 5 inches away in the knee. I was on the ground in pain for about a minute. It left a nice bruise. It wasn’t the stinging sensation of guns around 280-300 fps, but a deeper pain.
This gun also has very good accuracy on semi-auto. At one recent skirmish, I got a kill from 150 ft. I shot the guy three times too. On full-auto this gun doesn’t have the greatest accuracy though, due to the tremendous kick.
The following tests conducted with Airsoft Elite .25s indoors with the thermostat set to 64 degrees using iron sights.
From 15 ft. in semi-auto my groupings were 3 ½ x 1 ½ inches.
From 15 ft. in full-auto my groupings were 4 x 4 ½ inches.
From 30 ft. in semi-auto my groupings were 4 ¼ x 4 inches.
From 30 ft. in full-auto my groupings were 7 ½ x 7 ¾ inches.
The reason the accuracy is so poor is due to the heavy kick. It’s decent in semi-auto, but in full-auto, it’s pretty bad. But the kick is what makes the gun so much fun to shoot. Much better than the HFC G26 my friend has. Today I was hitting a target at 100 ft. every time, and that’s what my testing range is limited to. I never even use full-auto in skirmishes though, only when I’m up close to someone. The main reason for this, is that the magazine only holds 39 rounds. Spare magazines are around $30-40, more than my 300 round FA-MAS hi-caps. I find myself using this as a primary every now and then, because it’s just fun to use, and I still don’t have a fitting holster.
Internals:
To my surprise, the internals are primarily plastic. The crucial parts are metal though, the dual recoil springs and guides, ect. I was originally surprised to see the internals, they are so simple. This gun only strips down into eight pieces. I can’t tell if they plastic parts are going to last, but I believe they will, in the month I’ve owned the gun it has only shown no signs of degradation. The only moving plastic part is the floating valve, and I’m not sure how that’d break. I did have one problem though, the sear. Every 4 or so magazines, it gets pushed back down, to the point that it won’t catch. This is because I stripped the sear well earlier, by screwing the sear in to far (when I first got the gun). This was my own doing though. But since CO2 has no lubricants, make sure to lube your gun regularly and thoroughly.
Conclusion:
This is an amazing gun for the price. It is very powerful, about 100 fps. more than the KWA glocks. Although it is expensive to shoot, at 50 cents a cartridge. One CO2 cartridge lasts about 1 ½ magazines, but that depends on temperature, and shooting mode. So 1 ½ is just my average, shooting primarily in semi-auto (I live in Oregon). You can buy a CO2 adapter, so you can take 12 or 20 oz. CO2 tanks though. You can also buy magazines so you can use green gas, but the slide will be a bit sluggish. This gun actually performs well enough to compete against stock AEGs on CO2. The only thing limiting it’s primary weapon ability is it’s relatively small magazine capacity (39 rounds). Also, due to the gun’s monstrous size, it’s hard to find a well-fitting holster. But I would say, this is a very good choice for a gas gun, at $150 it out-performs all guns in it’s price range considerably.
Pros:
High Metal Content
Good Kick
Extremely Powerful
Good Range
High Magazine Capacity (39 rds.)
Full Auto
Full Trades
Cons:
Unrealistic (The real Deagle lacks full auto & an extended mag)
Unpainted Sights (Easy fix though)
Expensive to Shoot (50 cents for about 60 shots)
Hard to Find a Holster
By: Alex Bradley [glow=red,2,300]NO5685[/glow]
The KWC Deagle next to my KWC G17L Springer
Introduction:
I have always loved big guns, specifically the Desert Eagle and Mark 23. I had no intention of purchasing a new gun, after all I had just bought my first AEG, a Tokyo Marui FA-MAS F1. One day searching the Airsoft Retreat forums (as I do everyday) I came across a thread titled ‘Airsplat Deals of the Month’. I was reading down the list, and something caught my eye, the KWC CO2 Desert Eagle for $149.99. Once before, I had read a review of this gun, which had nothing but praise for the gun. I never dreamed of owning one, at the time that I read the review, the only airsoft gun I owned was a WELL M4. I never thought I would spend that much money for a gun. So when I saw this deal, I bought it.
Appearance & Feel:
When I got home from school, I saw this huge box on my door. The box was 22 inches wide, and 15 inches tall. I imagined a huge pistol, as big as an MP5. I cut open the box, to reveal an attractive grey plastic carrying case. On the front it reads; DESERT EAGLE, with a profile drawing of an eagle. I opened the box to divulge a gorgeous gun. An I.M.I. masterpiece, the Desert Eagle. In the box some egg carton foam, and another layer of foam around ½ inch thick. You lift it up to reveal a clear plastic container, which holds a small allen wrench, screwdriver, and manuals. The case also has space for five additional CO2 cartridges.
(I painted the sights myself)
This particular model is the American version, which has a chrome slide, but lacks hogue grips. I picked up the gun, and was amazed by it’s weight, 3.03 pounds. The only other pistol I currently owned was a KWC G17L, which weighs around a pound. Everything is black on this gun, excluding the slide. The external metal parts are the slide, outer barrel, fire selector, hammer, trigger, mag release, takedown lever, slide catch, and magazine, With the only plastic parts being the lower frame, magazine baseplate, and front and rear sights.
The grips are also a softer plastic, and look glued onto the frame. The gun is quite comfortable to hold, it fits nicely in your hand. The sights aren’t painted though, but all you need is some white-out to correct this. They are both adjustable for windage though, and are quite stiff. The fire selector is also quite stiff, even after a month of constant use, it has not worn in. The black paint will also start to wear off, but not as quickly as on the KWA Glocks. After a month you can start to see silver, but only a minute amount.
The KWC CO2 Deagle also has full I.M.I. trades which read on the left side:
DESERT EAGLE .50AE PISTOL
ISRAEL MILITARY INDUSTRIES LTD. (I.M.I.)
On the right side they reads:
MAGNUM RESEARCH. INC.
MINNEAPOLIS, MN USA
On both sides of the grip it has the little I.M.I. insignia and above the grip on the right side it has a serial number that reads; KWC504921.
Performance:
This gun was chronographed by DaManJH99 using an F1 Chrony, Airsoft Elite .20s, Copperhead 12g CO2 cartridges, and a 3-4 second pause between shots with these results:
High: 426 fps
Low: 398 fps
Average of 5 shots: 412.4 fps
I was very impressed by this information, but not entirely surprised. This gun shoots through the bottom of a coke can on the first shot. Another testament to it’s power was when my friend shot me with it from 5 inches away in the knee. I was on the ground in pain for about a minute. It left a nice bruise. It wasn’t the stinging sensation of guns around 280-300 fps, but a deeper pain.
This gun also has very good accuracy on semi-auto. At one recent skirmish, I got a kill from 150 ft. I shot the guy three times too. On full-auto this gun doesn’t have the greatest accuracy though, due to the tremendous kick.
The following tests conducted with Airsoft Elite .25s indoors with the thermostat set to 64 degrees using iron sights.
From 15 ft. in semi-auto my groupings were 3 ½ x 1 ½ inches.
From 15 ft. in full-auto my groupings were 4 x 4 ½ inches.
From 30 ft. in semi-auto my groupings were 4 ¼ x 4 inches.
From 30 ft. in full-auto my groupings were 7 ½ x 7 ¾ inches.
The reason the accuracy is so poor is due to the heavy kick. It’s decent in semi-auto, but in full-auto, it’s pretty bad. But the kick is what makes the gun so much fun to shoot. Much better than the HFC G26 my friend has. Today I was hitting a target at 100 ft. every time, and that’s what my testing range is limited to. I never even use full-auto in skirmishes though, only when I’m up close to someone. The main reason for this, is that the magazine only holds 39 rounds. Spare magazines are around $30-40, more than my 300 round FA-MAS hi-caps. I find myself using this as a primary every now and then, because it’s just fun to use, and I still don’t have a fitting holster.
Internals:
To my surprise, the internals are primarily plastic. The crucial parts are metal though, the dual recoil springs and guides, ect. I was originally surprised to see the internals, they are so simple. This gun only strips down into eight pieces. I can’t tell if they plastic parts are going to last, but I believe they will, in the month I’ve owned the gun it has only shown no signs of degradation. The only moving plastic part is the floating valve, and I’m not sure how that’d break. I did have one problem though, the sear. Every 4 or so magazines, it gets pushed back down, to the point that it won’t catch. This is because I stripped the sear well earlier, by screwing the sear in to far (when I first got the gun). This was my own doing though. But since CO2 has no lubricants, make sure to lube your gun regularly and thoroughly.
Conclusion:
This is an amazing gun for the price. It is very powerful, about 100 fps. more than the KWA glocks. Although it is expensive to shoot, at 50 cents a cartridge. One CO2 cartridge lasts about 1 ½ magazines, but that depends on temperature, and shooting mode. So 1 ½ is just my average, shooting primarily in semi-auto (I live in Oregon). You can buy a CO2 adapter, so you can take 12 or 20 oz. CO2 tanks though. You can also buy magazines so you can use green gas, but the slide will be a bit sluggish. This gun actually performs well enough to compete against stock AEGs on CO2. The only thing limiting it’s primary weapon ability is it’s relatively small magazine capacity (39 rounds). Also, due to the gun’s monstrous size, it’s hard to find a well-fitting holster. But I would say, this is a very good choice for a gas gun, at $150 it out-performs all guns in it’s price range considerably.
Pros:
High Metal Content
Good Kick
Extremely Powerful
Good Range
High Magazine Capacity (39 rds.)
Full Auto
Full Trades
Cons:
Unrealistic (The real Deagle lacks full auto & an extended mag)
Unpainted Sights (Easy fix though)
Expensive to Shoot (50 cents for about 60 shots)
Hard to Find a Holster